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The going of Guza
When I returned to GH after an absence of 14 years one of the first items I was told to establish was a Web site. After I had done this I found myself on line continually monitoring and amusing myself reading the outpouring from fans about “whatever”. Didn’t have this in the eighties and so I was immediately thoughtful about how things might have been if such a thing had existed. I digress.
A subject of intense interest back in 06’ was “General Hospital without Guza”. This had been elevated to “wet dream” status, with the fans referring to it like Guza’s demise would herald ‘The Second Coming”.

Well, he’s gone. So lets see.

Does anyone seriously think that the ABC would eliminate two of it’s soaps and then make a “banzai run” to save the third. If the ABC had been serious at all about saving its shows the move would have started about 6 years ago. There would have been a new VP of Daytime first then a very serious assessment of all its soaps to see what was working and what wasn’t. In the case of GH almost all the writing department along with Guza and Phelps would have gone and a plan implemented that centered around a serious effort to bring up the ratings. This would have had the actors doing lots of personal appearances and a PR effort launched on a grand scale. But that never happened so…….what about Bob?

Many things have been said regarding Bob’s writing some of them fair and some of them less so. Let’s have a look at what will probably be regarded as his legacy. We have a “mob influenced storyline” and the fact that he had little respect for women. And then there’s the systematic dismantling of most of General Hospitals legacy, including that of Luke and Laura, to be replaced by the noble deeds and example set by a bunch of “bargain basement criminals”. I am sure I will get some flack for that statement but the fact remains that whatever thoughts, you the fan harbor in your mind and heart about this relationship the show itself has done everything possible to trash and disassemble it. I don’t think there’s any legacy or standard on GH that has been untouched, in some way, by this wholesale “story slaughter”.

Makes you look back on the eighties and wonder if they ever happened at all. Now the general consensus is that Guza’s to blame for this and no one else. The fact is that Guza was just one of those involved. I mean, come on, does anyone think for one second that Guza could have single-handedly changed the direction of the show without the permission and cooperation of other significant people? As to who the others are I remain “mum”, but think of the endless hours you’ll all have exchanging views on who else could be involved!

The one thing that immediately hit me in 06’ was “the sudden about turns” you found your character doing. I went from “zero to a dead beat dad” in one page. No lead up, no justification and barely an explanation. Just “this is what your are now” and maybe next week something else. I had to admit that I was shocked. My recollections of Guza’s writing was always a positive one. He had been part of some good storylines and had a good feel for comedy. Elements that made you standout as a writer. And yet here we were in a Port Charles that had very little in common with a history, that was rich with interesting and compelling stories and characters. But all storylines aside, the one fault that stood out, brightly, was the utter lack of balance that the show employed. This lack of balance weakened every other story on the show. The mobster storyline could have worked quite well if it included a strong police force. That way the winning side could have see-sawed back and forth. As it was the story and the show was in no way compelling and lacked credibility at most levels. No one was going to believe that a bunch of thugs like these was going to take over the town.

The underlying philosophy of GH had always been one of “hope”. In this General Hospital there was none.

Since 08’ I have been of the opinion that GH was controlled by people way above Frons. Who they are I have no idea but in comparing ABC Daytime of the present and that of the 80’s there’s little comparison. Jackie Smith, VP of Daytime back in the early 80’s was someone clearly in charge. There was never any question of that. In today’s world “whose on first” is hard to discern. As for who is in charge at GH. My recollection was Gloria Monty, and anybody who questioned that didn’t have a job by days end. Certainly the string of Head Writers we had never had the last word on story or anything else for that matter.

I have commented before that the demise of ABC Daytime has been on the table since the eighties. It was never a case of “if” but always “when”. And now it’s happening. What will happen and can it be reversed? IMO not at a Network level. The shows could/might be picked up by someone else and re-engineered. Cost is a major factor to be addressed and so is the overall way the shows are structured and managed. Daytime has been stuck in a time warp since the early eighties and needs to be completely re-invented. It needs to look at how prime soaps have evolved and try to grasp why Reality shows are so strong and learn something from them.

I look back on my time in General Hospital with enormous affection and pride. To be a part of 1981 was an experience I will think about forever because it was so unique. It was unique and exciting for anyone who happened to be in a soap-opera. I just happened to be in the standard bearer, because GH was the undisputed leader and that was never in question. No one out there should be sad because the show/shows have left a trail of wonderful and engaging memories that will be referred to and dwelt upon for a long time to come.
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So how do we get you for EP of GH? :) Love reading your thoughts as always. I've been waiting for your comments on the outing of Bob Guza and I wasn't disappointed. Thank you SO much for not making me wait too long :)

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Yes. To everything except reality shows. Okay, look at them. But take a bath afterwards with very strong soap.
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(05-25-2011 04:52 PM)Tristan Rogers Wrote:  When I returned to GH after an absence of 14 years one of the first items I was told to establish was a Web site. After I had done this I found myself on line continually monitoring and amusing myself reading the outpouring from fans about “whatever”. Didn’t have this in the eighties and so I was immediately thoughtful about how things might have been if such a thing had existed. I digress.
A subject of intense interest back in 06’ was “General Hospital without Guza”. This had been elevated to “wet dream” status, with the fans referring to it like Guza’s demise would herald ‘The Second Coming”.

Well, he’s gone. So lets see.

Does anyone seriously think that the ABC would eliminate two of it’s soaps and then make a “banzai run” to save the third. If the ABC had been serious at all about saving its shows the move would have started about 6 years ago. There would have been a new VP of Daytime first then a very serious assessment of all its soaps to see what was working and what wasn’t. In the case of GH almost all the writing department along with Guza and Phelps would have gone and a plan implemented that centered around a serious effort to bring up the ratings. This would have had the actors doing lots of personal appearances and a PR effort launched on a grand scale. But that never happened so…….what about Bob?

Many things have been said regarding Bob’s writing some of them fair and some of them less so. Let’s have a look at what will probably be regarded as his legacy. We have a “mob influenced storyline” and the fact that he had little respect for women. And then there’s the systematic dismantling of most of General Hospitals legacy, including that of Luke and Laura, to be replaced by the noble deeds and example set by a bunch of “bargain basement criminals”. I am sure I will get some flack for that statement but the fact remains that whatever thoughts, you the fan harbor in your mind and heart about this relationship the show itself has done everything possible to trash and disassemble it. I don’t think there’s any legacy or standard on GH that has been untouched, in some way, by this wholesale “story slaughter”.

Makes you look back on the eighties and wonder if they ever happened at all. Now the general consensus is that Guza’s to blame for this and no one else. The fact is that Guza was just one of those involved. I mean, come on, does anyone think for one second that Guza could have single-handedly changed the direction of the show without the permission and cooperation of other significant people? As to who the others are I remain “mum”, but think of the endless hours you’ll all have exchanging views on who else could be involved!

The one thing that immediately hit me in 06’ was “the sudden about turns” you found your character doing. I went from “zero to a dead beat dad” in one page. No lead up, no justification and barely an explanation. Just “this is what your are now” and maybe next week something else. I had to admit that I was shocked. My recollections of Guza’s writing was always a positive one. He had been part of some good storylines and had a good feel for comedy. Elements that made you standout as a writer. And yet here we were in a Port Charles that had very little in common with a history, that was rich with interesting and compelling stories and characters. But all storylines aside, the one fault that stood out, brightly, was the utter lack of balance that the show employed. This lack of balance weakened every other story on the show. The mobster storyline could have worked quite well if it included a strong police force. That way the winning side could have see-sawed back and forth. As it was the story and the show was in no way compelling and lacked credibility at most levels. No one was going to believe that a bunch of thugs like these was going to take over the town.

The underlying philosophy of GH had always been one of “hope”. In this General Hospital there was none.

Since 08’ I have been of the opinion that GH was controlled by people way above Frons. Who they are I have no idea but in comparing ABC Daytime of the present and that of the 80’s there’s little comparison. Jackie Smith, VP of Daytime back in the early 80’s was someone clearly in charge. There was never any question of that. In today’s world “whose on first” is hard to discern. As for who is in charge at GH. My recollection was Gloria Monty, and anybody who questioned that didn’t have a job by days end. Certainly the string of Head Writers we had never had the last word on story or anything else for that matter.

I have commented before that the demise of ABC Daytime has been on the table since the eighties. It was never a case of “if” but always “when”. And now it’s happening. What will happen and can it be reversed? IMO not at a Network level. The shows could/might be picked up by someone else and re-engineered. Cost is a major factor to be addressed and so is the overall way the shows are structured and managed. Daytime has been stuck in a time warp since the early eighties and needs to be completely re-invented. It needs to look at how prime soaps have evolved and try to grasp why Reality shows are so strong and learn something from them.

I look back on my time in General Hospital with enormous affection and pride. To be a part of 1981 was an experience I will think about forever because it was so unique. It was unique and exciting for anyone who happened to be in a soap-opera. I just happened to be in the standard bearer, because GH was the undisputed leader and that was never in question. No one out there should be sad because the show/shows have left a trail of wonderful and engaging memories that will be referred to and dwelt upon for a long time to come.
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If anyone could explain this it had to be you. You were there for the greatness that was GH and had a taste of the sickness that took over the Hospital. So happy to see you on a show that is worthy of your talent and I
am loving the "bad" guy in you. Now the Best 'TR' is on the Best 'Y&R'.
xoxoxoxo right back at ya, Nanci
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Well as usual Tristian isnt shy about his opinion. I agree with a good bit of what Tristian says. I was glued to my TV watching our hero Scorpio and many times his best bud luke (not the Luke of today) saving PC from the bad guys. They never lost that I recall to the mob or bad guys. I can understand your frustration because as a loyal fan of Robert Scorpio I certainly didnt expect them to make him a dead beat dad and then once that story was over Scorpio would show up occasionally from the shadows to prop up Luke but for the most part our hero was a after thought. They could have done so much more with that character. After Robert Scorpio left and then Anna, Laura etc...they were left with Sonny. As much as I loved the character of Scorpio I love Sonny as well. Its all we had because at that point Luke was off the canvas as well and Sonny was very popular so they took GH in the mob direction. I never thought of it til now but Mob never did win back in the day of the Scorpios and Luke. I understand these are actors playing parts, doing a job so Im not blaming the actors for moving on but GH just didnt replace those characters with strong law abiding citizens so we have Sonny and the mob. Ill probably watch GH until the end but its sad what such a great show is becoming. The worst is the destruction of Luke. Luke also a favorite of mine has been destroyed and turned into a drunk.
05-26-2011 08:23 AM
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For more than a year, I have been telling people (including writing in my column - http://www.examiner.com/soap-opera-in-ri...ed-effort) that the cancellation of soaps was a systematic, calculated dismantling. I've been given looks like I've had lobsters crawling out of my ears. I am convinced to the core that if something was starting to work on soaps, the head writers were instructed - no DEMANDED - to shift gears and FAST. Bringing people back like you, Tristan, was purposely done to excite the viewer and make them think that things were looking up. Then WHAM-O - yank the rug out from under them. This nauseating rocking of the boat was, what I believe, a concerted effort to piss off as many viewers as possible so when the end came - and you're right, the end has been coming for a long time - and cheaper-to-produce shows came along, fans would be fewer and less vocal about the cancellations.

While it seems there are all these fans protesting and yelling right now, and ABC higher ups should be quaking in their boots, it only seems that way because the squeaky wheel gets the grease, and the internet makes that squeaky wheel louder than it really is. There's not enough soap fans left to save them. GH was saved from the chopping block only to appease those final few fans until they can indoctrinate them to the "dark side" of daytime and reality TV (though I, for one, will never go. The Chew and The Revolution?? Are you fu**ing serious??) GH is watching those sands run through the hour glass (wrong show, same sentiment). I don't see it making it another year, which makes me weepy. I've been watching since the Ice Princess. But those types of shows have been gone for quite some time.

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I am not fooled. The downfall of daytime drama is obviously part of a well-planned vendetta by Malkuthian malcontents! Only the purveyors of one of the worst storylines in daytime history could produce television this awful. Somebody get Luke a sword....


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Xtire The soaps are being canceled, they are being wacked....
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I had to register, just to comment!

I began watching GH back when Laura was working at the disco, and leaving Scotty for Luke! And Luke was fleeing mob boss Frank Smith. I was only 12 years old :) I'm now 43, and have been a life long devotee to GH. I remember the beginning of the Scorpio storyline, and the adventures that followed. Soaps really were and exciting time back then. They told a story, and they were so entertaining. We really did have adventure and love in the afternoon. These stories were created in such a way that, they not only entertained you, but they made you think. And the difference between the good guys and the bad guys wasn't so hazy.

Tristan, I was so thrilled when your character Robert Scorpio was going to return. I was sincerely hopeful that with the return of legacy characters, the show might turn around. I was so very angry at how your character was written. Nothing was treated with care. When they presented you as a dead beat dad, it completely felt wrong and off. This is not how it should have went. Not the reunion between Robert and his daughter Robin! Blah. It is sad enough to see Luke and Laura ruined, among so many other characters. Please know that many fans share your feelings too.

I've recently started to tune into Y&R when I found out that you were over there. It's great to see you back. Good luck in the future, and thanks!
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(05-25-2011 04:52 PM)Tristan Rogers Wrote:  When I returned to GH after an absence of 14 years one of the first items I was told to establish was a Web site. After I had done this I found myself on line continually monitoring and amusing myself reading the outpouring from fans about “whatever”. Didn’t have this in the eighties and so I was immediately thoughtful about how things might have been if such a thing had existed. I digress.
A subject of intense interest back in 06’ was “General Hospital without Guza”. This had been elevated to “wet dream” status, with the fans referring to it like Guza’s demise would herald ‘The Second Coming”.

Well, he’s gone. So lets see.

Does anyone seriously think that the ABC would eliminate two of it’s soaps and then make a “banzai run” to save the third. If the ABC had been serious at all about saving its shows the move would have started about 6 years ago. There would have been a new VP of Daytime first then a very serious assessment of all its soaps to see what was working and what wasn’t. In the case of GH almost all the writing department along with Guza and Phelps would have gone and a plan implemented that centered around a serious effort to bring up the ratings. This would have had the actors doing lots of personal appearances and a PR effort launched on a grand scale. But that never happened so…….what about Bob?

Many things have been said regarding Bob’s writing some of them fair and some of them less so. Let’s have a look at what will probably be regarded as his legacy. We have a “mob influenced storyline” and the fact that he had little respect for women. And then there’s the systematic dismantling of most of General Hospitals legacy, including that of Luke and Laura, to be replaced by the noble deeds and example set by a bunch of “bargain basement criminals”. I am sure I will get some flack for that statement but the fact remains that whatever thoughts, you the fan harbor in your mind and heart about this relationship the show itself has done everything possible to trash and disassemble it. I don’t think there’s any legacy or standard on GH that has been untouched, in some way, by this wholesale “story slaughter”.

Makes you look back on the eighties and wonder if they ever happened at all. Now the general consensus is that Guza’s to blame for this and no one else. The fact is that Guza was just one of those involved. I mean, come on, does anyone think for one second that Guza could have single-handedly changed the direction of the show without the permission and cooperation of other significant people? As to who the others are I remain “mum”, but think of the endless hours you’ll all have exchanging views on who else could be involved!

The one thing that immediately hit me in 06’ was “the sudden about turns” you found your character doing. I went from “zero to a dead beat dad” in one page. No lead up, no justification and barely an explanation. Just “this is what your are now” and maybe next week something else. I had to admit that I was shocked. My recollections of Guza’s writing was always a positive one. He had been part of some good storylines and had a good feel for comedy. Elements that made you standout as a writer. And yet here we were in a Port Charles that had very little in common with a history, that was rich with interesting and compelling stories and characters. But all storylines aside, the one fault that stood out, brightly, was the utter lack of balance that the show employed. This lack of balance weakened every other story on the show. The mobster storyline could have worked quite well if it included a strong police force. That way the winning side could have see-sawed back and forth. As it was the story and the show was in no way compelling and lacked credibility at most levels. No one was going to believe that a bunch of thugs like these was going to take over the town.

The underlying philosophy of GH had always been one of “hope”. In this General Hospital there was none.

Since 08’ I have been of the opinion that GH was controlled by people way above Frons. Who they are I have no idea but in comparing ABC Daytime of the present and that of the 80’s there’s little comparison. Jackie Smith, VP of Daytime back in the early 80’s was someone clearly in charge. There was never any question of that. In today’s world “whose on first” is hard to discern. As for who is in charge at GH. My recollection was Gloria Monty, and anybody who questioned that didn’t have a job by days end. Certainly the string of Head Writers we had never had the last word on story or anything else for that matter.

I have commented before that the demise of ABC Daytime has been on the table since the eighties. It was never a case of “if” but always “when”. And now it’s happening. What will happen and can it be reversed? IMO not at a Network level. The shows could/might be picked up by someone else and re-engineered. Cost is a major factor to be addressed and so is the overall way the shows are structured and managed. Daytime has been stuck in a time warp since the early eighties and needs to be completely re-invented. It needs to look at how prime soaps have evolved and try to grasp why Reality shows are so strong and learn something from them.

I look back on my time in General Hospital with enormous affection and pride. To be a part of 1981 was an experience I will think about forever because it was so unique. It was unique and exciting for anyone who happened to be in a soap-opera. I just happened to be in the standard bearer, because GH was the undisputed leader and that was never in question. No one out there should be sad because the show/shows have left a trail of wonderful and engaging memories that will be referred to and dwelt upon for a long time to come.
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I have often thought everyone really knew what was going down when I heard soapnet was being cancelled in 2012. I have often thought the mob stuff was a bit much on the show. Alas I was a product of Luke and Laura and also you Tristan. I am now old enough to not be a demographic model. So I say phooey on all the mainstream stations and go to AMC and Mad Men. What a great show. ABC has really went down hill in daytime stuff and the evening stuff. Reality is here to stay. Or at least til we get sick of seeing not so beautiful people being over dramitic. Soaps were a way for us to get away from reality. I want beautiful people living exciting lives to watch. Also it was easy to talk about the people in soaps because it hurt NO ONE. So I am glad I found your page and know that you have a fond spot in my heart. Thanks Kim
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